March 21, 2013
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Does the Bible Contradict Itself? (Part 2)
As mentioned in our previous post on Biblical contradictions, let’s look at what the Bible has to say about God’s racial laws against the Ammonites and the Moabites:

From Deuteronomy 23:
3 No Ammonite or Moabite or any of their descendants may enter the assembly of the Lord, not even in the tenth generation.
From Nehemiah 13:
On that day the Book of Moses was read aloud in the hearing of the people and there it was found written that no Ammonite or Moabite should ever be admitted into the assembly of God, 2 because they had not met the Israelites with food and water but had hired Balaam to call a curse down on them. (Our God, however, turned the curse into a blessing.) 3 When the people heard this law, they excluded from Israel all who were of foreign descent.
From Ezra 10:
14 Let our officials act for the whole assembly. Then let everyone in our towns who has married a foreign woman come at a set time, along with the elders and judges of each town, until the fierce anger of our God in this matter is turned away from us.” 44 All these had married foreign women, and some of them had children by these wives.
This pretty well sums up God’s feelings about foreign races involved with his chosen people. Not only are Ammonites or Moabites barred from admittance into assembly with the Israelis but mixed marriages between the races was also forbidden. Such racist viewpoints against foreigners stand in stark opposition to the story of Ruth, however. Ruth was a Moabite who married a Jew, Boaz. And then became the great-grandmother of King David. Not to bad for a foreign woman whom God excluded by law from Israel and forbade the Jews to marry.

From Ruth 1:
22 So Naomi returned from Moab accompanied by Ruth the Moabite, her daughter-in-law, arriving in Bethlehem as the barley harvest was beginning.
From Ruth 4:
13 So Boaz took Ruth and she became his wife. When he made love to her, the Lord enabled her to conceive, and she gave birth to a son. 14 The women said to Naomi: “Praise be to the Lord, who this day has not left you without a guardian-redeemer. May he become famous throughout Israel! 15 He will renew your life and sustain you in your old age. For your daughter-in-law, who loves you and who is better to you than seven sons, has given him birth.”
16 Then Naomi took the child in her arms and cared for him. 17 The women living there said, “Naomi has a son!” And they named him Obed. He was the father of Jesse, the father of David.
So it would seem that, depending on the prophet he was speaking to, God showed himself to be a proponent of racial hatred or racial harmony. An obvious contradiction.
The books of Proverbs and Ecclesiastes also provide some head scratching texts that can’t be reasonably reconciled either. Check it out:

From Proverbs 10:
A wise son brings joy to his father,
but a foolish son brings grief to his mother.It would seem from this verse that being wise rather than foolish was a good thing, no? Well, have a look at this:

From Ecclesiastes 1:
18 For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
the more knowledge, the more grief.Also, in Proverbs one is called upon to help the poor:

From Proverbs 14:
31 Whoever oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker,
but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.Yet in Ecclesiastes we’re told that poverty is a natural state of being:

From Ecclesiastes 5:
8 If you see the poor oppressed in a district, and justice and rights denied, do not be surprised at such things; for one official is eyed by a higher one, and over them both are others higher still.
In general, the glass to the unknown writer of Proverbs is half full. He sees the sunny side of life and glories in blessings wisdom will bring:

From Proverbs 3:
21 My son, do not let wisdom and understanding out of your sight,
preserve sound judgment and discretion;
22 they will be life for you,
an ornament to grace your neck.
23 Then you will go on your way in safety,
and your foot will not stumble.
24 When you lie down, you will not be afraid;
when you lie down, your sleep will be sweet.
25 Have no fear of sudden disaster
or of the ruin that overtakes the wicked,
26 for the Lord will be at your side
and will keep your foot from being snared.But by the time you get to Ecclesiastes, the glass becomes half empty:

From Ecclesiastes 1:
2 “Meaningless! Meaningless!”
says the Teacher.
“Utterly meaningless!
Everything is meaningless.”9 What has been will be again,
what has been done will be done again;
there is nothing new under the sun.
10 Is there anything of which one can say,
“Look! This is something new”?
It was here already, long ago;
it was here before our time.
11 No one remembers the former generations,
and even those yet to come
will not be remembered
by those who follow them.The contradictions found in the Bible are known to many and many are the extremes conservatives go to to prove those contradictions meaningless. When I was a practicing Fundamentalist adult Sunday School teacher, my position was this: If indeed God wrote the Scriptures using men, it is either all correct or it is all worthless. Obviously, at that time, I argued for the correctness of Scriptures. Then I started to study the Bible on a deeper level. My views now are somewhat different. I challenge you to do the same.

Our next offering: Contradictions in the New Testament.-Y
Comments (3)
Cherry picking verses and taking stanzas out of context prove no contradictions. These have all been answered, and you know the answers already. Whether you choose to accept the answers (i.e. looking at the books as a whole instead of taking them verse by verse) or not is your prerogative. Any discerning reader can judge for themselves, so to be fair why not link to the apologetic site which answers these questions. Or maybe you should include the amazingly accurate prophecies that were fulfilled in both the new and old testament, for example the infinitesimally small chances of Jesus’ birthplace predicted hundreds of years before his birth. Or maybe the fact that none of these “contradictions” have persuaded any believers to change their faith over thousands of years.
Let’s look at the Proverbs verse shall we?
A wise son brings joy to his father,
but a foolish son brings grief to his mother.
Pretty Straightforward Solomonesque wisdom literature.
Now to the verse in Ecclesiastes:
For with much wisdom comes much sorrow;
the more knowledge, the more grief.
Nicely taken out of context. To someone who never read these books, these would be apparent contradictions. However, knowing the context changes the meaning of the second quote entirely. Ecclesiastes as a whole is basically the musings of man contemplating the meaning of life. The ideas he puts forth are by no means laws or statutes, but just his own view of the world around him. The entire passage reads as follows:
I communed with mine own heart, saying, Lo, I am come to great estate, and have gotten more wisdom than all they that have been before me in Jerusalem: yea, my heart had great experience of wisdom and knowledge. 17And I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to know madness and folly: I perceived that this also is vexation of spirit. 18For in much wisdom is much grief: and he that increaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow.
See what happens when the verse is taken in its true context? I could go on, but what’s the point.
Why Chris, how good to hear from you again! You’re certainly always welcome at our Table. Cherry picking verses, hey? Well, It would take up a whole lot of space to do the whole Bible even one book at a time. It just makes more sense to “cherry pick” the verses we’d like to discuss.
And, you’re certainly correct in saying that these contradictions have all been answered. Indeed they have. Whole Bible encyclopedias have been written by fundamentalist scholars attempting to prove that the simple verses such as we’ve shown here do not contradict.
Oh, you can bet your bippy, Chris, that we’ll take a look at how Bible prophecies were fulfilled because they were written after the fact. We’ll also look at a few Bible prophecies that weren’t fulfilled at all. I’m not sure what “fact” you’re talking about concerning previous believers (like myself and many other former Christians (including many ministers) who now do not believe that were led to change their faith by what they read in the Bible? But we digress here. We’re speaking of Bible contradictions at the moment.
Okay. Let’s take a look at the Proverbs/Ecclesiastes verses in question. First – the Proverbs one. Hard to take this out of context, no? Wisdom is presented as bringing joy. Can’t be any argument there. Now let’s look at your “in context” verses from Ecclesiastes. The writer (whom isn’t identified) states that he has great experience with wisdom and knowledge and, in fact, he has more wisdom than any who lived before him. And what does the author compare wisdom and knowledge with? Hmmm…madness and folly. He even goes to far as to say that this fact vexes his spirit. Then he points out why that is so. He states that with much wisdom comes much grief. And he finishes by saying that if you increase your knowledge you increase your sorrow.
We hate to say this, Chris, but your “in context” verses underline the contradiction with Proverbs by describing wisdom as folly even more-so than the shorter version that we used did. And if you say that these musings are merely that of the author, you’re telling us that they’re not “God breathed” and this portion of scripture is “man formed” and therefore not “of God”.
We shouldn’t have to remind you, Chris, that there are Bible scholars who believe that Ecclesiastes along with the books of Daniel, Esther, and Song of Songs in the Old Testament and the books of Hebrews, James, Jude, Revelations, 2Peter, 2John and 3John in the New Testament should not be a part of the Bible to begin with.
Be that as it may, it’s good to hear from you again, Chris. We hope life has been treating you well. Unfortunately we’ve been very busy of late and haven’t had much of a chance to get up to your blog, but we’ll return in the future when things around here calm down a bit.
I first was made aware of the inconsistencies in the four gospels of Matthew ,Mark, Luke, and John, or whoever the authors may have been. The more i researched a lot of inconsistencies in any version of the bible, the more my conclusion was that in many instances they may have been lies. This conclusion seemed to be supported by what my religion teachers taught and by church sermons. Therefore, it was relatively easy to come to the conclusion that if there were so many lies, then god(s) too were probably lies. Simply put, all of these lies were most likely a way for ‘leaders’ to retain power and control through fear.I value concepts like Truth, Beauty, and Love way too much to be reached/’saved’ by lies.
I read an atheist’s blog this morning, he wrote about a conversation with a religious believer who said that she had left her church because she did not see their practices as being in tune with the purpose of belief in her god, even though she still had faith. Maybe that’s a positive start to humanity losing their beliefs that i see as based on supernatural myth and mythology. Let us come back the Age of Enlightenment! :]
Love n Peace